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Graysmith has never produced any evidence to support his claim that the boy had identified Allen as the man he had seen at Lake Berryessa on the day of the Zodiac attack. FACT CHECK: Family and friends of actor Bob Crane have criticized Graysmith, stating that he distorted the facts in that murder case just as he had done with his exploitation of the Zodiac story. According to Graysmith's version of events in ZODIAC, the family suspected that Allen was the Zodiac, they held a family meeting to discuss what to do, and the family reported Allen to the police. According to Mageau, the shooter approached the car carrying a bright light and Mageau was then shot in the jaw and other areas of his body. Graysmith claimed that, in February 1997, the SFPD had contacted him regarding the results of DNA testing on the envelope which had contained the suspected Zodiac forgery of April 1978. Respectfully, Paul Avery, Investigative Reporter, The San Francisco Chronicle." The airing of the film in May 1969 was just 9 weeks before the first Zodiac letter meaning it would have given Allen and Vaughn ample time to become friends and discuss a plan. They replace one with the other. The bombs which Allen had in his basement were pipe bombs; the bombs described by the Zodiac were not pipe bombs and were in no way similar to pipe bombs or the "bomb recipe" allegedly found during the search of Allen's home in the early 1990s. They were soaked with blood but were too small for a man. Graysmith claimed that the Zodiac letters had been mishandled, exposed to the Sacramento summers, and were not refrigerated. Graysmith allegedly consulted Sherwood Morrill regarding Vaughn's writing but this occurred after Morrill had retired. It was funny and sarcastic and added much to Avery's character. # 31 - Washington, D.C.: Where does "Zodiac" end and where does "Zodiac Unmasked" pick up? I never told anyone. Nevertheless, what are your future plans/projects? # 23 - Annandale, Va.: The suspect's name is Leigh but it's pronounced Lee, right? FACT CHECK: The handwriting experts which Fincher consulted did not conclude that Allen wrote the Zodiac letters, so Graysmith's distortion is just another instance in which he twists the facts to make his suspect seem guilty. FACT CHECK: Graysmith has repeatedly mentioned the map of Lake Berryessa allegedly found during the research for the film ZODIAC but no one has ever confirmed its existence or discovery. Here are the descriptions provided by the various witnesses. FACT CHECK: The film ZODIAC presented a distorted and largely fictionalized portrayal of Paul Avery. Was Leigh Allen "too tall and too bald" to be this killer? This conclusion was based in large part on Mageau's statements during his identification, his conflicting description and the fact that Mageau had admittedly seen the killer's face only for an instant more than two decades before he identified Allen as the shooter. That's the man who shot me." Graysmith seems oblivious to this blatant contradiction. I photographed and made hundreds of hours of audio tapes of Fincher, screenwriter Jamie Vanderbilt and producer Brad Fischer as they attempted over nearly two years to get their film green lighted. Graysmith has also claimed that San Francisco police discovered a map of Lake Berryessa during the search of Allen's trailer and that this map was signed by the suspect. It is unlikely, if not implausible, that the Zodiac used a projector on this occasion. It seems most plausible that Arthur Leigh Allen is the Zodiac, so going off that theory... Arthur Leigh Allen expressed his love for the book 'The Most Dangerous Game' so if a viewing of this film was to be shown in a theatre near Allen then there is every possibility that he would have gone to see it. After the release of the film ZODIAC, Robert Graysmith participated in a Questions and Answers forum on the website for the newspaper The Washington Post. Graysmith's book was not only available in New York at the time of the New York copycat but the evidence proved that the copycat killer had consulted Graysmith's book during his crime spree. Robert Graysmith: No glasses and he did not smoke. Robert Graysmith: Avery was a former war correspondent and I think that the stress of that experience and the strain of the daily deadlines at the Chonicle made for a very addictive personality and more than a few reporters there sufferred similarly. Whereas, Bryan Hartnell, the stabbing victim, survived and prospered. I am satisfied that Dave Toschi, Bawart, Capt. In fact, Avery did not require the use of oxygen until the late 1990s. Detective #1 Penny Wallace. Robert Graysmith: David Fincher has hired handwriting experts and in their findings they looked at not the handwriting but the spaces between the letters, the misspellings and where the words were broken at odd places. Robert Graysmith: Until I saw Jake's performance I didn't know how deferential I was or how consumed by Zodiac. After ten years of trying to find Zodiac I walked into that store and saw him face to face. It said Zodaic on label, but Bawart told me that it only showed Allen mooning the police. He died in 1992 of a heart attack. I saw Allen in person often after my meeting him at Ace Hardware, but this was tailing and at night. Robert Graysmith: My guess is that they are missing something in their genetic makeup. Graysmith and the movie greatly exaggerated Avery's problems and behavior in order to fuel the myth that the case somehow destroyed his career and life when, in fact, this was not true. The facts demonstrate that Sherwood Morrill never endorsed Graysmith's opinions and theories about the Zodiac letters and writing and that he instead held opinions which directly contradicted Graysmith's. # 14 - Freising, Germany: Was any thought ever given to a connection between the Zodiac killings and Charles Manson's group of hippies? What do people think? I was a bit slow at the beginning because I have only recently gone on line and gotten email. Graysmith has never produced the map and no one has ever confirmed its existence. Graysmith claims that experts endorsed his solution and the film ZODIAC depicts a television interview of Graysmith regarding his solution. Fouke never identified Allen. According to the SFPD, Graysmith's claims are false and no DNA tests ever produced any results which matched Allen or any other suspect. Men's gloves are sized using two different methods. Graysmith has also claimed that San Francisco police discovered a map of Lake Berryessa during the search of Allen's trailer and that this map was signed by the suspect. He passed on to his son a love of sailing. In December of 1980, Graysmith had said that his book would be published by Norton and available in 1981 (the last entries in Graysmith's book are dated around this time). He wore size 7 gloves and size 10 1/2 shoes. FACT CHECK: Graysmith wrote that his book "ended the reign of Zodiac." FACT CHECK: Graysmith is once again distorting the facts and misleading the public. No credible evidence has ever been presented, by Graysmith or anyone else, to prove or even indicate that Arthur Leigh Allen was at or near Lake Berryessa on September 27, 1969. # 16 - Reston, Va.: I recall that the movie says the fingerprints and DNA found at one or more crime scenes did not match that of Leigh Allen. I loved that scene! I have published 7 true crime books, 3 have been movies. Graysmith's book was published in 1986, meaning that his book had nothing to do with "ending" anything, let alone the reign of the Zodiac. Graysmith's book was also available in Japan at the time that the Japanese copycat Zodiac first appeared. Click here for more info on Zodiac suspects. In his Post answer, Graysmith wrote, "Still even if the DNA rules out Allen, even though he knew the victims and was near or at the crime scenes, it still not rule him out." He visited Dave in San Francisco and came back as him. He looks nothing like Zodiac but I have never been able to shake the feeling that he knows more than he realizes. The only evidence which could be cited to support such claims would be Michael Mageau's highly questionable identification of Allen as the Zodiac shooter (an identification which was not endorsed by the Vallejo police department), and, Don Cheney's claim that he had once accompanied Allen to the restaurant where a Zodiac victim worked as a waitress. He looks nothing like Zodiac but I have never been able to shake the feeling that he knows more than he realizes. FACT CHECK: In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith presented his proposed solution to the Zodiac's unsolved 340 symbol cipher. Don Cheney had lived with Allen’s brother Ron during his college years and became friends with Arthur Leigh Allen via that relationship. Long after I published my first book, we had Zodiac copycats in New York and Japan. That's been confusing to me. For years we searched for him, convinced that Mike knew who Zodiac was. Graysmith knows that the calls to the TV station were not made by the Zodiac but had been placed by a patient in a mental hospital. You are a cartoonist or not. In his answer here, Graysmith stated: "David Fincher has carried the case forward by locating statements by the Washington and Stine witness and the officer who passed Zodiac who identified Allen as the man they saw." I am still getting calls at midnight from them about documents and dates--I have boxes to the ceiling of my studio filling one entire wall two layers deep, and I say, " Guys, the movie is done. And as I said David Fincher is the only director who could have made this film and he made it as a newspaper film along the lines of ALL THE PRESIDENTS MEN. Graysmith claimed that "the book was not widely available then so that was not why they became copycats." His description of a scene from the film based on his book features this puzzling passage regarding the police search of a trailer owned by suspect Arthur Leigh Allen. Police also found articles about Mel Belli and the Zodiac case. I have none of the killers skills--chemistry, sewing, cryptography, criminology, bombmaking, electronics, but, and I just thought of this the other day, I think Zodiac may have been a cartoonist. It is an important clue, but also the great mystery of the Zodiac case. While George Bawart and Vallejo Police Captain Roy Conway described Mageau's identification as "positive," the Vallejo Police Department did not consider the identification to be valid. Still even if the DNA rules out Allen, even though he knew the victims and was near or at the crime scenes, it still not rule him out. In Graysmith's fantasy version of the facts, someone could have touched the letters and left their DNA on the paper, and this explained why later DNA testing did not match Allen. Nobody ever questioned me after that day." Same with the Bob Vaughan scene. He then placed the letter and the scrap into an unsealed envelope and then placed that envelope (and its contents) into another envelope which he sealed and addressed to a friend in the hopes that his friend would seal the envelope and lick the stamp but never look inside the envelope or ever question Allen's need for his services as a substitute tongue. Robert Graysmith's book Zodiac advanced Arthur Leigh Allen as a potential suspect based on circumstantial evidence. Wouldn't that have cleared a few things up? They kept me in the loop at every stage of their quest over 3 years. Robert Graysmith: David Fincher has hired handwriting experts and in their findings they looked at not the handwriting but the spaces between the letters, the misspellings and where the words were broken at odd places. In 1983, columnist Herb Caen wrote an article stating that Graysmith's book, then titled THIS IS THE ZODIAC SPEAKING, would be published by St. Martin's Press and available in the fall of that year. Graysmith's ridiculous claim that "every" letter was handled by a photogengraver is nothing more than yet another attempt to cast doubt on evidence which has been used to clear his pet suspect. Dean Ferrin stated that no such party ever took place in his home and that he painted the house himself without the help of anyone else. Graysmith claims that a task force would be formed today, yet he ignores the fact that a task-force was essentially created at the time of the original investigation. Allen first came to the attention of the San Francisco Police Department in the summer of 1971. The Zodiac killing costume consisted of old-fashioned Navy clothes, pants with pleats. At that moment I was free. Perhaps police should enlist an art critic to find similarities in the art styles and that of the suspect. Dean Ferrin stated that no such party ever took place in his home and that he painted the house himself without the help of anyone else. It is unlikely, if not implausible, that the Zodiac used a projector on this occasion. The bombs which Allen had in his basement were pipe bombs; the bombs described by the Zodiac were not pipe bombs and were in no way similar to pipe bombs or the "bomb recipe" allegedly found during the search of Allen's home in the early 1990s. David Fincher and his production team produced a feature length documentary about Arthur Leigh Allen which presented a great deal of information and evidence yet this map was never mentioned or shown during the film. Graysmith has repeatedly claimed that Arthur Leigh Allen was at Lake Berryessa on the day of the Zodiac attack there yet he has never produced any evidence to support this claim. In the film, Avery's boss takes him to task, citing the reporter's kook-like letter to the Department of Justice on Chronicle letterhead, in which Avery asks to be appointed the head of the Zodiac investigation. Graysmith wrote, "Who knows what DNA was picked up during that time." In short, Mageau's description did not match Allen and his identification of Allen, despite these descrepencies, led many to question the accuracy of his identification. In ZODIAC, Graysmith used the pseudonym "Starr" when referring to Allen and wrote: "Starr's father died just before the Riverside murder (1966). FACT CHECK: The man seen by several witnesses at Lake Berryessa was described as having a full head of dark brown hair. The only evidence which could be cited to support such claims would be Michael Mageau's highly questionable identification of Allen as the Zodiac shooter (an identification which was not endorsed by the Vallejo police department), and, Don Cheney's claim that he had once accompanied Allen to the restaurant where a Zodiac victim worked as a waitress. There is still so much to learn. While surviving victim Michael Mageau had identified Allen as the man who shot him, police reports demonstrate that his identification was highly suspect, that Mageau also stated that the Zodiac had a face similar to another man shown in the photo-lineup, and that police did not believe his identification was valid. FACT CHECK: In other interviews, Graysmith claimed that he and his editors had removed 500 pages from his first book; in his answer here, Graysmith raised that number to almost 900 pages. Graysmith has known these facts for many years, and he was aware that both Pam and Linda had a documented history of inventing tall tales when he cited both as reliable sources in his books ZODIAC and ZODIAC UNMASKED. Men's gloves are sized using two different methods. Bob Vaughn was never a suspect in the Zodiac case and no evidence has ever been presented to implicate him in the crimes or to indicate that he wrote the Zodiac letters. Robert Graysmith: Zodiac as a film had to be of its time. According to the SFPD, Graysmith's claims are false and no DNA tests ever produced any results which matched Allen or any other suspect. He got it just right. Size seven, same as we found in the cab. Near the end of the film, Michael Mageau points at his photo from an identification slideshow, but the police were unable finish his case since he passed away. He used his elaborate projector theory to explain how Allen was able to disguise his handwriting and fool document experts such as Sherwood Morrill, who was only one of several experts to conclude that Allen did not write the Zodiac letters. In his Post answer, Graysmith wrote, "Still even if the DNA rules out Allen, even though he knew the victims and was near or at the crime scenes, it still not rule him out." Recall the neatness of the 312 word cipher. Ken Narlow of Napa Sheriff's Office considered him completely innocent. Fincher never uncovered such statements. Graysmith states that the copycat killer in New York appeared "long after" he had published his first book. In his Post answer, Graysmith wrote, "Still even if the DNA rules out Allen, even though he knew the victims and was near or at the crime scenes, it still not rule him out." Robert Graysmith: Yes, there are palm prints and the partials on Stine's cab that don't match anybody. The evidence proves that none of the other witnesses had ever identified Allen (and Graysmith has never provived any evidence to support his claims that the boy witness or one of the girl witnesses at Berryessa had ever identified Allen). According to Graysmith's version of events in ZODIAC, the family suspected that Allen was the Zodiac, they held a family meeting to discuss what to do, and the family reported Allen to the police. Graysmith claimed that Allen asked friends to lick and seal his stamps and envelopes, stating that Allen would sometimes mail unsealed letters inside envelopes that he had sent to these friends. I have over my desk as I type this five cartoons drawn and signed by a suspect in the Zodiac case--Arthur Leigh Allen. Bryan Hartnell, the survivor from Berryessa, did tell me the hood was very neatly sewn. FACT CHECK: Graysmith wrote that his book "ended the reign of Zodiac." We know Zodiac was 6 feet tall, weighed about 230 and was balding from descriptions and physical evidence. Graysmith claimed that the Zodiac letters had been mishandled, exposed to the Sacramento summers, and were not refrigerated. In December of 1980, Graysmith had said that his book would be published by Norton and available in 1981 (the last entries in Graysmith's book are dated around this time). While recovering in the hospital, Mageau provided a description of his attacker which did not match Arthur Leigh Allen. Mageau himself admitted that he never got a good look at the shooter and had only seen the man briefly in a "profile view." I just never wanted to do another Zodiac book, but this story is really about three good guys who take on an obstacle. Jake simply observed me and I saw in the film he caught every mannerism, even wore my awful 1970s clothes. According to Mageau, the shooter approached the car carrying a bright light and Mageau was then shot in the jaw and other areas of his body. I watched the DVD of Zodiac last night and had a question: I don’t quite understand what happened in one scene and probably won’t have the chance to watch it again. Recall the neatness of the 312 word cipher. In the movie Bob Vaughn shows a keen interest in the movie (assuming this is correct) Allen and Vaughn may have got to talking that night and formed an alliance (this does not seem so unusual as he had also entrusted in Don Cheney with his whole Zodiac plan). Arthur Leigh Allen; Aaron Graysmith; Mike Mageau; Linda del Buono; Inspector William Armstrong; Zodiac 3; Officer George Bawart; Sgt. In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith claimed the suspected Zodiac letter of 1978 was authentic, and he presented an elaborate, though seriously flawed, theory to support this claim. I mean, he's not obese." Graysmith has never provided any credible evidence to support his claims about Morrill's conclusions and claims regarding Vaughn and Graysmith's theories, and the facts demonstrate that Morrill held contradictory opinions until his death. FACT CHECK: The Zodiac had sewn a crossed-circle symbol onto the chest of his costume; this would be virtually impossible to do on a bomb disposal "costume" which is made to withstand explosive impact. Mageau himself admitted that he never got a good look at the shooter and had only seen the man briefly in a "profile view." If Graysmith has identified another man as that Lee, then he has debunked his own theory and proved that Allen was not the Lee who was friends with Zodiac victim Darlene Ferrin. That is why I have always thought the American public should be enlisted to solve difficult crimes. # 12 - Nashville, Tenn.: Don't mean to betray my own ignornance, but if his notes said solving the cryptograms would reveal his name, has anything come up as far as a key if you try to solve backwards using known suspects' names? It wouldn't make a difference, but they again needed to add something to spice it up. It could also be that Arthur Leigh Allen simply copied Vaughn's handwriting to write his letters (it is relatively easy to mimic someone's handwriting with time and a lot of writing samples). # 9 - Minneapolis, Minn.: I was impressed by the weight given to handwriting analysis. Is it still an important tool? And of course we handled them at the Chronicle. FACT CHECK: Graysmith has repeatedly mentioned the map of Lake Berryessa allegedly found during the research for the film ZODIAC but no one has ever confirmed its existence or discovery. Allen's driver's license, issued on October 13, 1967, described him as six feet tall, 250 lbs, with brown hair. When confonted, Graysmith claimed that he had received this false information from an unnamed police source, although Graysmith's history of inventing false evidence to implicate Allen strongly indicated that the police source never existed and that Graysmith himself was responsible for the false story of Allen's speeding ticket. Graysmith seems oblivious to this blatant contradiction. My best friends in the whole world are my sons David, an accountant, Aaron (one of the five CI directors at a major studio whos credits include both Stuart Little films, Castaway and so on) and my daughter Margot who is also with a film studio in Hollywood. Respectfully, Paul Avery, Investigative Reporter, The San Francisco Chronicle." Were you satisfied with his portrayal of you, of the other characters? Templeton Peck ... Bob Vaughn Clea DuVall. Toschi didn't know of Leigh Allen until 1971. 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